Posts by Joe Grundy

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Sex abuse prosecution hurdles

by Tylinbrando in

what is frustrating to me is that even if the wbts and silentlambs, attorneys and parents who have been contacted before law enforcement of sex abuse disclosures were to pick up their phones immediately and call the police to report alleged sex abuse, there is still a huge amount of hurdles to clear before an alleged abuser will be brought to justice.

investigations gathering evidence that is deemed to be prosecutable can take months.

diliberations by district attorneys before a judge can take months.

Joe Grundy

There are wide variations in procedures in different jurisdictions.

In England & Wales, for example, police officers do not need warrants to arrest suspects, and there are strict time limits between a defendant being charged and appearing in court. We don't have protracted jury selection procedures. Judges are not involved in deliberations with prosecutors or defenders before trial. The normal procedure (if the job is done right) is that the victim tells their story once (recorded) and is not available for interview by the defence. Then the support can start right away. Also in E&W there are very strict rules on media reporting before and while the trial is ongoing. We don't have prosecutors giving press interviews (they are not elected).

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OT Question

by Joe Grundy in

i know that i'm being lazy here, but i know that someone here will have the answer off the top of their head.. there was a bloke in the ot (jacob?

) who saw a woman and fancied her (rachel?

) and wanted to marry her.

Joe Grundy

It's all a bit weirder when you read it again. The sound of banjos resonates. 7 years' work for a bonk, and then it's the wrong woman? Then another 7 years to bonk the right one? Was she still as beautiful 14 years after he met her? Maybe this was a generic warning from God to men - work your balls off and even then you won't get to bonk the woman you really want to - or if you do, she'll be just as knackered as you are by the time you finally get round to it.

I do have a genuine reason for asking for this ref. All will be revealed.

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OT Question

by Joe Grundy in

i know that i'm being lazy here, but i know that someone here will have the answer off the top of their head.. there was a bloke in the ot (jacob?

) who saw a woman and fancied her (rachel?

) and wanted to marry her.

Joe Grundy

Thanks

6

OT Question

by Joe Grundy in

i know that i'm being lazy here, but i know that someone here will have the answer off the top of their head.. there was a bloke in the ot (jacob?

) who saw a woman and fancied her (rachel?

) and wanted to marry her.

Joe Grundy

I know that I'm being lazy here, but I know that someone here will have the answer off the top of their head.

There was a bloke in the OT (Jacob?) who saw a woman and fancied her (Rachel?) and wanted to marry her. He worked for her dad for 7 years but ended up with her sister (Leah?) 'cos she was older and had to work another 7 years to get the sister he really wanted.

Yes, I know it sounds crazy but that's the story.

Can someone point me to the OT ref. for this please? It's a genuine enquiry and I'll explain why later.

Thanks in advance.

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"Our Reader's Ask" November 2012 Public WT

by dontplaceliterature in

jw
friends

has anyone seen this?

it's rich.

it's too bad that this will blow right over the heads of jehovah's witnesses.

Joe Grundy

I wonder if WTBTS has taken a calculated gamble in publishing this.

On one hand they MUST be aware of the effect of the internet and just how easy it is to research stuff nowadays - and no doubt they are well aware of JWN and similar sites. They can't ignore that.

On the other hand, maybe they have calculated that by publishing this they will be seen by the 'faithful' (aka 'gullible') to be open to enquiry and research and confident that they will still be seen to have 'The Truth'. Always bearing in mind, of course, the over-riding WTBTS mantra 'You don't need to do research, we've done it for you'.

Or it could, of course, be sabotage by an 'insider' apostate!

(I did notice the 'conditioning' bit in the first sentence about 'deception'. Emotional crutches can be real.)

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How Do The Two Masturbation Guys Feel?

by RayPublisher in

i'm wondering how they feel about their likeness being spammed all over the internet right now?

i'll bet they didn't sign up for this kind of attention.. it reminds me of an article wired magazine did on youtube a couple years ago about people that had their careers or social life ruined by a viral youtube video.. anyway, it would be interesting to find out who these guys are and what may or may not end up happening with them over this..

Joe Grundy

"Oi I said that already. "

I merely report ...

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How Do The Two Masturbation Guys Feel?

by RayPublisher in

i'm wondering how they feel about their likeness being spammed all over the internet right now?

i'll bet they didn't sign up for this kind of attention.. it reminds me of an article wired magazine did on youtube a couple years ago about people that had their careers or social life ruined by a viral youtube video.. anyway, it would be interesting to find out who these guys are and what may or may not end up happening with them over this..

Joe Grundy

I showed the video to some members of my family (never were JWs or had any contact with JWs). Their reactions:

1. Laughter

2. The dark-haired bloke looks like Ed Milliband (I think he looks like the guy from 'Friends')

3. It couldn't possibly be an OFFICIAL JW publication, it must be someone taking the pee - no religious group would publish this, would they?

4. Do they REALLY teach this?

5. Is this REALLY taught to JW children?

Suffice to say that there will be some interesting conversations (rather than the usual polite 'not interested - go away') if and when JWs call at their doors!

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Do you think theres such a thing as a "normal person"

by londonlady in

jw
friends

i was trying to think of all the many many people i've ever met and conculded that none of them could be termed "normal".

some of them might have seemed normal to start with but on further inspection most definatly not!.

in answer to the obvious question no i do not think i'm normal neither, i don't think i would want to be either.

Joe Grundy

Yes, there is.

I'm normal.

I'm just not sure about the rest of you here!

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Mature Dating UK - Surely this isn't for real.

by cofty in

this advert appears every time i click on the active topics link.

please make it stop.... .

Joe Grundy

I use firefox and have installed 'adblocker'.

I used to get these ads and they depressed me, to be honest. I am a single man of a certain age but the thought that I might be attracted to some of these horrors (I'm sure that they are nice people in real life) made me shudder.

If I thought that the only 'opportunities' open to me were similar to some of the 'opportunities' represented here I'd give up now!

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The Decline of Elders and Ministerial Servants

by Londo111 in

i seem to remember somebody saying that since the 90's the number of elders has declined from 90000 to 60000. does anybody have any hard figures regarding this?.

the organization is desperate for "qualified" men.

but their standards are much too high, especially the monthly field service hour requirements tagged on to endless meetings and congregational busywork.

Joe Grundy

I haven't read the whole thread (and I never was a JW) so apologies if this has been mentioned.

Apart from the obvious (power, ego, 'big fish in a little pond') I can't see any reason why anyone would consent to serve in a position of responsibility.

They may have liability in child abuse cases, of course, as has so well been demonstrated recently. And the 'Menlo Park' fiasco. But I'm fairly sure that as access to information continues to increase exponentially there will be other liabilities. One that springs to mind is 'Data Protection' legislation and its equivalents in various countries. KHs keep vast amounts of personal information, and the keeping and use of this is regulated. Plenty of opportunities for civil and criminal liability.

I think I've read on various posts that WTBTS in its various guises is distancing itself from local congregations - in that local congregations are to be seen as separate legal entities from WTBTS itself. That could lead to personal liability for elders/trustees. (This is a complicated legal issue and varies by jurisdiction, but the concept of 'personal liability' seems to be increasing in most jurisdictions).

Even if I WAS a JW, and 'qualified' I would be very, very, wary.